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Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

TJ Holowaychuk — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:55:32 -0000

For sure man, I see the value in that, it is a perfectly valid argument. Which is why I support literal JS specs as well (you can even use a combination of each if you want), but yeah a bigger team would not benefit much from the grammar. I work solo so thats where my rage with JS literals got me started with the grammar lol

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

Mat Schaffer — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:49:15 -0000

Thanks for the support! I see the cool factor but "getting the hang of it" would become a speed-bump when trying to introduce the tool to the rest of my team (~40 devs total). And the specs won't be worth much if I'm the only one using them. I'll hit you up in IRC once I get started for sure.

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

TJ Holowaychuk — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:38:46 -0000

hell even if you do not like snake-case 2.x partially implements interchangeable DSLs (3.x will top this off) so you can have camel-case galore. The grammar can be summed up really quickly, this slideshow might be worth checking out, speeds up testing once you get the hang of it :) http://slidechop.com/presen...

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

TJ Holowaychuk — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:31:12 -0000

Sounds good! not much is forced upon the user though. Check out the readme / site or drop by the #jspec IRC channel if you need any help. People seem to jump to conclusions about how things have to be done with JSpec, which are never true, its very extensible / customizable.

The project templates for example are simply a starting point, the structure does not have to be that way at all. 3.x is going to ship with a bunch of new features, hopefully timed together with my Ruby TestSwarm implementation.

Besides if you find there is something missing, or blocking your way drop an issue on Github and I will check it out :)

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

Mat Schaffer — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:21:32 -0000

Thanks for chiming in TJ! I think JSpec will be the next tool I look at for testing. The features definitely look good, I just worry that a number of your opinions won't mesh with the projects I need to test. We'll see how flexible it is once I start digging in.

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

TJ Holowaychuk — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:34:31 -0000

JSpec can be used without the grammar. The syntax is very similar to Screw.Unit, however JSpec has far more features, and is actively developed / tested by the community.

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

Mat Schaffer — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:21:33 -0000

Right on. Thanks for the check. I too often forget to revisit the YUI suite since I initially used it in 2005 when it only had a small handful of tools. Maybe I'll do another post with that and a deeper dive into JSpec.

Re: Harsh opinions on JavaScript testing

TTop — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:02:09 -0000

I've used YUI Test a bit, seems decent: http://developer.yahoo.com/..., but I haven't worked with any of these others, so I can't compare.